Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

05/05/2023 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:55:23 PM Start
01:55:58 PM SB84
02:08:50 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 84 MONEY TRANSMISSION; VIRTUAL CURRENCY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 84(JUD) Out of Committee
-- Invited Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
          SB  84-MONEY TRANSMISSION; VIRTUAL CURRENCY                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 84                                                               
"An Act relating to the  business of money transmission; relating                                                               
to  money  transmission  licenses,  licensure  requirements,  and                                                               
registration through  the Nationwide Multistate  Licensing System                                                               
and Registry; relating  to the use of virtual  currency for money                                                               
transmission;  relating to  authorized delegates  of a  licensee;                                                               
relating  to acquisition  of control  of a  license; relating  to                                                               
record  retention  and  reporting requirements;  authorizing  the                                                               
Department of  Commerce, Community,  and Economic  Development to                                                               
cooperate  with   other  states   in  the  regulation   of  money                                                               
transmission;  relating to  permissible investments;  relating to                                                               
violations and  enforcement of money transmission  laws; relating                                                               
to  money transmission  license exemptions;  relating to  payroll                                                               
processing  services; repealing  currency exchange  licenses; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He  noted  that this  was  the  third  hearing  and there  was  a                                                               
committee substitute (CS) for the committee to consider.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
LIZZIE  KUBITZ,   Staff,  Senator   Matt  Claman,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,   Alaska  described  the   changes  between                                                               
version A and version B of SB 84.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Version  33-GS1312\B  of Senate  Bill  84  is based  on                                                                    
     recommendations  made  by  the Division  of  Banking  &                                                                    
     Securities  and  changes  offered  by  Senator  Kiehl's                                                                    
     office. There are three changes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The first change has to  do with controlling interests.                                                                    
     It changes "25  percent" to "10 percent"  to conform to                                                                    
     other controlling  interest guidelines. This  change is                                                                    
     seen on page 22, line 3, and page 47, lines 9 and 11.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  second change  has to  do with  money transmission                                                                    
     coverage.  On  page 47,  line  28  it changes  "from  a                                                                    
     person located  in this state"  to "to the  state, from                                                                    
     the  state,   or  within  the  state."   This  protects                                                                    
     consumers  sending or  receiving money  as long  as one                                                                    
     end of the transmission is in the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     And   finally,   Legislative   Legal  asked   to   make                                                                    
     conforming  changes to  the  bill.  One notable  change                                                                    
     made  by Legislative  Legal is  an indirect  court rule                                                                    
     amendment found on  page 53, lines 23  through 27. This                                                                    
     relates  to  changing  the award  of  court  costs  and                                                                    
     attorney  fees  in  certain casesa   conforming  change                                                                    
     made on page 38 line 20 of the bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  listed the individuals available  online to respond                                                               
to questions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:58:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  moved to adopt  the committee substitute  (CS) for                                                               
SB 84, work order 33-GS1312\B, as the working document.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN found no objections version B was adopted.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  Chair  Claman  how  to  proceed  with  his                                                               
amendments.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  him to  introduce each  Conceptual Amendment                                                               
separately.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 1 to CSSB 84.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 1                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                        BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 9, Line 20:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Following "is  not money"  insert ",that  other persons                                                                    
     are not  required to take payment  in virtual currency,                                                                    
     that  the value  of  virtual currency  can change,  and                                                                    
     that  virtual   currency  may  not   be  backed   by  a                                                                    
     governmental agency"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  stated  that   Conceptual  Amendment  1  restores                                                               
language from the root bill.  He noted that the amendment applied                                                               
to   a  section   governing  a   customer  relationship   with  a                                                               
cryptocurrency company  including the initial policies  that must                                                               
be established  or disclosed. He noted  that Conceptual Amendment                                                               
1  restores  the  specificity of  cryptocurrencies  in  the  bill                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN referred  to the  redline version  of the  bill. He                                                               
pointed out  the bottom  of page  9, paragraph  (9). He  said the                                                               
language Legislative Legal Services removed was reinstated.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL concurred.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   CLAMAN  removed   his  objection;   finding  no   further                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 2 to CSSB 84.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 2                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                          BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                      
     Page 40, Line 6:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Following  "United  States;"   insert  "an  institution                                                                    
     regulated  by   the  Farm  Credit  Association;   or  a                                                                    
     subsidiary or affiliate of  a financial institution, if                                                                    
     the subsidiary or affiliate is  owned and controlled by                                                                    
     a  depository institution  and regulated  by a  federal                                                                    
     banking  agency; in  this  paragraph, "federal  banking                                                                    
     agency"  means the  Board of  Governors of  the Federal                                                                    
     Reserve System,  the Comptroller  of the  Currency, the                                                                    
     director  of  the  Office of  Thrift  Supervision,  the                                                                    
     National Credit  Union Administration, and  the Federal                                                                    
     Deposit Insurance Corporation;"                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  explained the Conceptual Amendment  2. He directed                                                               
attention to  Section 43 that  addresses the state and  the money                                                               
services  business.  He  referred  to  a  long  list  of  federal                                                               
agencies  that  are  monitored by  the  federal  government.  The                                                               
institutions  were  removed  from   the  bill  without  remaining                                                               
language to cover them. He  opined that the legislation should be                                                               
specified as the original bill text does.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  commented that Conceptual Amendment  2 restores the                                                               
language deleted on the redline version, page 41, lines 12-19.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   CLAMAN  removed   his  objection;   finding  no   further                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 3 to CSSB 84.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 3                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                        BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 45, Line 9:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Following  "for  transmission"  insert "subject  to  12                                                                    
     C.F.R. Part 1005, Subpart B;                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (2) money received for transmission"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 45, Line 10:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Delete "; or"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 45, Line 11:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Delete "(2)"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Insert "(3)"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 45, Line 15:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Following "by the payee" insert ";                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        (4) an individual consumer transferring funds to                                                                        
     reload stored value to the consumer's account through                                                                      
     a point of sale transaction; or                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
         (5) stored value transactions exempted by the                                                                          
     department by regulation or order"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  that Conceptual  Amendment 3  addressed                                                               
Section 48 and reinstated language  in the original bill version.                                                               
The   amendment   addressed   receipt  requirements   for   every                                                               
transaction. The amendment reinstates the  reference to a code of                                                               
federal regulations  in the Consumer Financial  Protection Bureau                                                               
laws.  The  amendment  also addresses  language  about  reloading                                                               
stored value transactions. He stated  that a stored value card is                                                               
used  repeatedly   and  incurs  different  needs,   receipts  and                                                               
disclosures to the consumer.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  referred to  the redline  version pages  46-47. The                                                               
amendment  restores  the  language  that  was  deleted  from  the                                                               
original bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   CLAMAN  removed   his  objection;   finding  no   further                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:05:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 4 to CSSB 84.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 4                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                        BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 47, Line 2:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Insert *Sec. 52. AS 06.55.850 is amended by adding a                                                                      
     new subsection to read:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          (f) An annual renewal fee must be based on a                                                                          
     licensee's total volume of money transmission in this                                                                      
     state, calculated in dollars or dollar equivalents."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN informed  the  committee and  the  public that  the                                                               
redline  version would  be included  in the  record and  could be                                                               
found on BASIS.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL re-introduced Conceptual Amendment 4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL stated  that Conceptual  Amendment 4  reinstates a                                                               
section  deleted by  Legislative Legal  Services. He  stated that                                                               
the language provided broad authority  to determine fees to cover                                                               
regulatory  costs.   He  noted  that  the   Conceptual  Amendment                                                               
reinstates the requirement  that annual renewal fees  be based on                                                               
the total  volume of money  transmission in the state.  He stated                                                               
that  the   Department  of   Commerce,  Community   and  Economic                                                               
Development  communicated  the  desire to  charge  varying  rates                                                               
based on money transmission volume.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN referred  to the redline copy,  subsection (f), page                                                               
49 that  deletes  an  annual renewal fee  shall be  determined by                                                               
the department by regulation order.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL stated  that the sentence was  not required because                                                               
earlier sections of the bill require fee setting by order.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  removed his  objection; finding  further objection,                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 4 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:08:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  moved to report  CSSB 84, work  order 33-GS1312\B,                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  found no  objection and  CSSB 84(JUD)  was reported                                                               
from the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                   

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 84 Work Draft Committee Substitute version B 5.4.2023.pdf SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Comparison of 33-GS1312_A and 33-GS1312_B 5.5.2023.pdf SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 version A 2.24.2023.PDF SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Transmittal Letter 2.27.2023.pdf SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Sectional Analysis version A 2.24.2023.pdf SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Letters of Support - Received as of 3.23.2023.pdf SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Additional Document - DBS Response to Senate Judiciary 4.25.2023.pdf SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 PowerPoint Presentation 4.21.2023.pdf SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Fiscal Note DCCED-DBS 2.16.2023.pdf SJUD 4/21/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/1/2023 1:30:00 PM
SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84
SB 84 Additional Document - Kiehl Conceptual Amendments to version B 5.5.2023.pdf SJUD 5/5/2023 1:30:00 PM
SB 84